POLL Missing Madeleine

[acidtechno]

http://www.findmadeleine.com

http://news.sky.com/skynews/madeleine

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...265589,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6663177.stm

This poll is anonymous, your username won't be listed.

[akita_inu]

I feel tremendous sympathy for her parents - they must be feeling terrible; but leaving three children under four alone in a room when (by all accounts) the patio doors were unlocked? And especially so when the holiday company offered a free creche ....

[phillcahill]

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[Nick A J]

Must agree with Phill. I think this is not a subject for a poll and should be pulled immediately.

[stephenc]

Originally Posted by phillcahill

What on earth does this have to do with F2S, Broadband, or us. If the topic of missing Madeleine needs to be brought up here??? then why not do something positive? save the judging until after the lass is found.

Originally Posted by Nick A J

Must agree with Phill. I think this is not a subject for a poll and should be pulled immediately.

FWIW I agree broadly with you both that it seems a bit ghoulish...if indeed that is what you are pointing at. That said the OP has put this in the chit/chat section of the community forum so, for the most part, I don't see the relvance of it not being relvant to f2s, broadband etc.

However, like I said, I agree it's not something I want to really "have a poll about"

[wfnuk]

Originally Posted by Nick A J

Must agree with Phill. I think this is not a subject for a poll and should be pulled immediately.

I totally agree and I can't understand the reasoning behind posting this poll. All it could possibly achieve would be to cause even more heartache for any of poor Madeleine's relatives, should any of them be unfortunate enough to see it.

[gomez]

I will now post what I refrained from posting last night.

I don't "feel" anything because it is about someone else's kid. I have my thoughts though the main one being that the OP has demonstrated how difficult it is to ask a question about this without betraying their own prejudices.

[acidtechno]

Originally Posted by wfnuk

I totally agree and I can't understand the reasoning behind posting this poll. All it could possibly achieve would be to cause even more heartache for any of poor Madeleine's relatives, should any of them be unfortunate enough to see it.

see here for the reasoning behind the posting of this poll.

While it could cause a bit of heartache for relatives, the likelyhood of them seeing a poll here is low, and a little bit of public opinion is no way near the amount of heartache felt for the missing girl.

While I did not plan to take part in any discussion, it's good to see people do have something to say, and opinions vary, therefore, even if you are against such a poll, it's good to see an opinion and why that opinion exists, we all learn from each other.

widespread and continued coverage will cause mass public debate, everyone I've met has something to say about the situation of the missing girl. People certainly do exercise their personal opinions, so it should be no different for us here.

it doesn't matter how sensitive mainstream press and people are, the truth should not be denied and pushed under the carpet in a situation such as this.

[wfnuk]

Originally Posted by acidtechno

see here for the reasoning behind the posting of this poll.

I'd already read your opinionated views on that thread. However, there are legal processes in place which are better equipped to apportion blame and to determine what is or is not, in your words, 'the truth'.

Whilst everyone is entitled to an opinion, I for one, consider that there are professional bodies, in full possession of all the facts, in a much better position than you and I to judge fairly, without resorting to idle speculation.

[kmount]

I'm not passing judgement on the whole thing but professional bodies are in position of all the facts at pipex and we're still stuck with our idle speculations!

( *lighthearted dig at f2s )

[wfnuk]

Originally Posted by Chaz

I'm not passing judgement on the whole thing but professional bodies are in position of all the facts at pipex and we're still stuck with our idle speculations!

Professional? Pipex? Have I been missing something?

[acidtechno]

Each one of us does not have to be part of a professional body to know facts and to be in a position to judge when the facts of what happened have been clearly presented to us (admittedly some sources vary with their reports such as the frequency the parents checked on their children). My main point I have to make is there is an underlying reason why a 3 (now 4) year old girl has gone, and that is because she was left alone with no care in a place full of strangers. Being on holiday does not make it safe like you are in your own home (although some people are not even safe in their own home!) and when you are so happy on holiday it can make you too laid back about what you are doing.

If you lived in a busy street where lots of strangers were and you had houses on both sides of the street, would you leave your young kids in one of the houses for periods of a time alone while you ate dinner in the other house across the street?

see there is a fact that exists and that is what I mean by the truth.

[gomez]

Originally Posted by acidtechno

Ewhen the facts of what happened have been clearly presented to us (admittedly some sources vary with their reports such as the frequency the parents checked on their children).

You may think you have been presented with all the facts but i very much doubt it. As to the variation in reported frequency of checking - that makes me suspiciious. Maybe there is a conspiracy among the family who know *exactly" what happened to the girl.

[wfnuk]

Personally, I feel sorry for anyone that determines what is 'the truth', based solely on spurious press 'facts'.

[phillcahill]

Originally Posted by acidtechno

Each one of us does not have to be part of a professional body to know facts and to be in a position to judge when the facts of what happened have been clearly presented to us (admittedly some sources vary with their reports such as the frequency the parents checked on their children). My main point I have to make is there is an underlying reason why a 3 (now 4) year old girl has gone, and that is because she was left alone with no care in a place full of strangers. Being on holiday does not make it safe like you are in your own home (although some people are not even safe in their own home!) and when you are so happy on holiday it can make you too laid back about what you are doing.

If you lived in a busy street where lots of strangers were and you had houses on both sides of the street, would you leave your young kids in one of the houses for periods of a time alone while you ate dinner in the other house across the street?

see there is a fact that exists and that is what I mean by the truth.

My point was nothing to do with your feelings towards who is to blame or the information which makes you feel that way. My point was regarding the subject matter and its relevance.

But if your definition of chit-chat/Gossip is throwing blame around about who is to fault for not preventing the disappearance of a young child, who as of yet has not been found, then fair enough.

I'm still not sure what relevence it has to this forum i.e. f2s but hey i only visit ocasionaly so what do i know

[acidtechno]

Originally Posted by wfnuk

Personally, I feel sorry for anyone that determines what is 'the truth', based solely on spurious press 'facts'.

you deny the fact the children were left alone and by whom, then?

Originally Posted by phillcahill

My point was nothing to do with your feelings towards who is to blame or the information which makes you feel that way. My point was regarding the subject matter and its relevance.

yes, I know that especially since I had only posted a poll with no opinion before your post.

it's harmless debate imo, polls can cause that. In politics sometimes it doesn't matter what we talk about, it doesn't change the reality, look at labour.. swapping a prime minister without the nation's decision.

A diverse set of people come here, not just tech geeks, a little bit of off tech topic can keep the forum alive in the quiet periods

[phillcahill]

Originally Posted by acidtechno

you deny the fact the children were left alone and by whom, then?



yes, I know that especially since I had only posted a poll with no opinion before your post.

it's harmless debate imo, polls can cause that. In politics sometimes it doesn't matter what we talk about, it doesn't change the reality, look at labour.. swapping a prime minister without the nation's decision.

A diverse set of people come here, not just tech geeks, a little bit of off tech topic can keep the forum alive in the quiet periods

My initial problem with the poll was its relevance and thats all. The fact the poll was miss timed was none of my business although i do find it a little strange that somebody thinks a poll about a missing child is a good way to keep a technical discussion forum alive during quite periods.

As for the freedom of speech rant you have going on the other thread hahahaha continue its your right.

[wfnuk]

Originally Posted by acidtechno

you deny the fact the children were left alone and by whom, then?

I've denied nothing. I prefer to reserve judgement until the official 'facts' are released. Do you have a problem with that?

[RND]

While I feel for the parents, from what I heard they left the kids to go for an evening meal (although they did check back every half hour but a lot can happen in that time). I do feel the Portuguese Police are out of their depth in this case.

This is a general chat forum so relevance is mute imo.

[phillcahill]

Originally Posted by RND

While I feel for the parents, from what I heard they left the kids to go for an evening meal (although they did check back every half hour but a lot can happen in that time). I do feel the Portuguese Police are out of their depth in this case.

This is a general chat forum so relevance is mute imo.

At the risk of starting another non relevant debate i find it unresistable to ask you on what basis have you decided that the Portuguese Police are out of their depth in this case?

I'm neither sugesting they are or are not because i don't know either way but i'm always happy to be enlightened.

I ask this question in a debate tone rather than a argument/high ground tone. I intend no offence.

[grumbert]

Well the fault/blame clearly lies with whomever took the little girl. They are guilty and solely to blame for this.

You could say that the parents are guilty of naivety or at worst stupidity, but even taking that into account, I doubt that anyone could have imagined that something like this would happen.

It's all too easy to parcel out the blame to the parents for their alleged carelessness, but to draw the parallel, it's not because I left my frontdoor unlocked that I give permission for my house to be burgled!

[phillcahill]

Originally Posted by grumbert

Well the fault/blame clearly lies with whomever took the little girl. They are guilty and solely to blame for this.

You could say that the parents are guilty of naivety or at worst stupidity, but even taking that into account, I doubt that anyone could have imagined that something like this would happen.

It's all too easy to parcel out the blame to the parents for their alleged carelessness, but to draw the parallel, it's not because I left my frontdoor unlocked that I give permission for my house to be burgled!

So true.

[RND]

Originally Posted by phillcahill

At the risk of starting another non relevant debate i find it irresistible to ask you on what basis have you decided that the Portuguese Police are out of their depth in this case?

I was quoting from Channel 4 news. They were saying that the local Police haven't had to deal with crime of this nature often [if at all].

i agree it is a harmless debate, no matter what you do you wont stop people having an opinion of it. i have long thought this forum could do with more off topic subject material, it encourages friendships and, as in this case, hot topics that people will want to take part in.

i am just off to start my big brother topic

Originally Posted by wfnuk

Personally, I feel sorry for anyone that determines what is 'the truth', based solely on spurious press 'facts'.

In this case its the parents who have employed a 'spin doctor' in order to feed crap to the press with the intention of keeping the story in the headlines for as long as possible.